In a BPM project we normally find teams of people from different disciplines (end-users, process analysts, IT) who need to collaborate and work together.
The BPMN standard notation is the common language used by these different types of users, and based on our experience, drawing models horizontally seems to be a more natural/preferred way of doing it.
This is why Bizagi handles horizontal pools and lanes; and not vertical which seems to be popular mainly among IT people.
In a BPM project we normally find teams of people from different disciplines (end-users, process analysts, IT) who need to collaborate and work together.
The BPMN standard notation is the common language used by these different types of users, and based on our experience, drawing models horizontally seems to be a more natural/preferred way of doing it.
This is why Bizagi handles horizontal pools and lanes; and not vertical which seems to be popular mainly among IT people.
I have to admit that I also like the implementation of vertical lanes. It lends itself to much easier to read annotations as they are assigned to the flows. However, I am a brand new user to this tool, so I will give this a shot.
ok, horizontal pools may be more popular, but there are still many use cases, that require a vertically view. So why does Bizagi only support one way? What's wrong with a converter-button to rotate view?
Bizagi Process Modeler is a great tool, and trusting that it gets even better I look very forward to the next realese, that supports a conversion! :)
A vertical lane view availability would be great, as many Japanese users and customers prefer it. A top to bottom flow is natural for people to interpret a process workflow. Also, vertical lane view also fits nicely on A4 size paper. To be honest, developers should create software features that users have need for, and NOT what developers "think" the software should be. Please consider adding it. Thanks!
I think also that vertical lanes are easy to read, they also have and advantage THEY SAVE A LOT OF PAPER, because you can create as many lanes as possible to fit in one A4 sheet. That is why I still use Visio and probably I won`t be a Bizage user even I know the tool is very powerfull.
Hello !Please don't forget that's sometimes very useful to produce an "un-compliant" BPM diagram for explain some process to users or clients. And sometime a vertical drawing is better than an horizontal one.Unfortunately in this case I need to switch to Microsoft Visio :((As say my colleges sometime my mind is very twisted, but sometime he's just vertical ;) So please, give us the capability to choose diagram orientation into your very powerful tools !!! Thank you !
In my professional opinion, the option should be there.
People like to read documents in portrait orientation, and diagrams often are part of a document. If your process has a lot of tasks and a few swimlanes, it fits nicely on a portrait orientation. This complies with BPMN standards.
Currently, I can only use Bizagi in my document if the document is in landscape orientation (which is rare and not appreciated by customers), or if I break the diagram in multiple pieces (which reduces readability), or have many swimlanes with only a few tasks.
I like Bizagi pretty much, is a very powerful tool, unfortunately my boss doesn't like the horizontal view, she prefers it vertical so for that only reason I can't use this tool that i really like. Hope there could be an upgrade with the option to rotate the orientation.
"based on our experience, drawing models horizontally seems to be a more natural/preferred way of doing it."
Here you have several users or potential users that obviously prefer vertical. I like a vertical layout because I can use the scroll wheel on my mouse, because then the actors and their lanes are legible.
Please add my vote to those requesting vertical pools.
I have to agree with John on this one , there is a requirement to use the vertical swim lanes. this is a opportunity for Bizagi to reach a larger target market and increase popularity with the product.
This thread is 2 years old and still the feature has not been included in the newest release ?
and coming from both the BA and IT service management space we need to be Agile
Another vote for vertical layout option. I realise this does not confirm to normal business process modeling standards. In this case, I am reading about how to use BPMN to represent process architecture and the article author suggest using a vertical pool for the aggregation view at the architecture level, leading into the normal horizontal pool for the process level. Yes, it can be done by having an elongated pool with the label along the vertical edge, it just doesn't read nicely.
Vertical pools and swimlanes are a requirement for my employer to use any BPMN 2.0 tool, including BizAgi. The BPMN 2.0 standard does not specify ONLY horizontal swimlanes, it supports both.
BizAgi is out of compliance with the BPMN standard. BizAgi developers are forcing their (limited) view on the people who pay the bills... customers.
Add vertical swimlanes and pools AND SUPPORT THEM. Until then you lose my company's business. I asked my managers whether we can use only horizontal swimlanes and pools. They said NO because we have used vertical swimlanes for so many projects so far. Converting the diagrams will take too much weeks of work for no benefit other than to support an inflexible product. Other tools support vertical BPMN 2.0 swimlanes, so we will go with another BPMN-compliant tool. We need a product that is flexible and support current users ways of working.
Please address our requirements and comply with the BPMN 2.0 standard. I would love to use and recommend your products (like I did at 2 previous jobs). Until then, my company is forced to use another vendor's products. Too bad. Such a nice product concept, poor execution. Get out and talk to more real organizations and customers.
I'm creating models right now that I'm required to put in a vertically set pages in a Word document and I can't make it work with the horizontal pool layout :(
In a BPM project we normally find teams of people from different disciplines (end-users, process analysts, IT) who need to collaborate and work together.
The BPMN standard notation is the common language used by these different types of users, and based on our experience, drawing models horizontally seems to be a more natural/preferred way of doing it.
This is why Bizagi handles horizontal pools and lanes; and not vertical which seems to be popular mainly among IT people.
In a BPM project we normally find teams of people from different disciplines (end-users, process analysts, IT) who need to collaborate and work together.
The BPMN standard notation is the common language used by these different types of users, and based on our experience, drawing models horizontally seems to be a more natural/preferred way of doing it.
This is why Bizagi handles horizontal pools and lanes; and not vertical which seems to be popular mainly among IT people.
I have to admit that I also like the implementation of vertical lanes. It lends itself to much easier to read annotations as they are assigned to the flows. However, I am a brand new user to this tool, so I will give this a shot.
Hmm, 90% of paperwork/presentation/printout/etc I receive is in A4 and vertical.
Therefore I like larger charts/processes/etc to be vertical.
So the recipient does not have to rotate these pages when reading.
(English as a second language, maybe I misunderstand something)
ok, horizontal pools may be more popular, but there are still many use cases, that require a vertically view. So why does Bizagi only support one way? What's wrong with a converter-button to rotate view?
Bizagi Process Modeler is a great tool, and trusting that it gets even better I look very forward to the next realese, that supports a conversion! :)
A vertical lane view availability would be great, as many Japanese users and customers prefer it. A top to bottom flow is natural for people to interpret a process workflow. Also, vertical lane view also fits nicely on A4 size paper. To be honest, developers should create software features that users have need for, and NOT what developers "think" the software should be. Please consider adding it. Thanks!
I think also that vertical lanes are easy to read, they also have and advantage THEY SAVE A LOT OF PAPER, because you can create as many lanes as possible to fit in one A4 sheet. That is why I still use Visio and probably I won`t be a Bizage user even I know the tool is very powerfull.
Once you get used to working horizontally, you can no longer work vertically ... is much more practical and logical to work horizontally. :)
Without vertical Lane usage of bizage is not an Option for us.
Hello !Please don't forget that's sometimes very useful to produce an "un-compliant" BPM diagram for explain some process to users or clients. And sometime a vertical drawing is better than an horizontal one.Unfortunately in this case I need to switch to Microsoft Visio :((As say my colleges sometime my mind is very twisted, but sometime he's just vertical ;) So please, give us the capability to choose diagram orientation into your very powerful tools !!! Thank you !
In my professional opinion, the option should be there.
People like to read documents in portrait orientation, and diagrams often are part of a document. If your process has a lot of tasks and a few swimlanes, it fits nicely on a portrait orientation. This complies with BPMN standards.
Currently, I can only use Bizagi in my document if the document is in landscape orientation (which is rare and not appreciated by customers), or if I break the diagram in multiple pieces (which reduces readability), or have many swimlanes with only a few tasks.
Please reconsider.
I like Bizagi pretty much, is a very powerful tool, unfortunately my boss doesn't like the horizontal view, she prefers it vertical so for that only reason I can't use this tool that i really like. Hope there could be an upgrade with the option to rotate the orientation.
"based on our experience, drawing models horizontally seems to be a more natural/preferred way of doing it."
Here you have several users or potential users that obviously prefer vertical. I like a vertical layout because I can use the scroll wheel on my mouse, because then the actors and their lanes are legible.
Please add my vote to those requesting vertical pools.
I have to agree with John on this one , there is a requirement to use the vertical swim lanes. this is a opportunity for Bizagi to reach a larger target market and increase popularity with the product.
This thread is 2 years old and still the feature has not been included in the newest release ?
and coming from both the BA and IT service management space we need to be Agile
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im voting yes, thanks
Another vote for vertical layout option. I realise this does not confirm to normal business process modeling standards. In this case, I am reading about how to use BPMN to represent process architecture and the article author suggest using a vertical pool for the aggregation view at the architecture level, leading into the normal horizontal pool for the process level. Yes, it can be done by having an elongated pool with the label along the vertical edge, it just doesn't read nicely.
Vertical pools and swimlanes are a requirement for my employer to use any BPMN 2.0 tool, including BizAgi. The BPMN 2.0 standard does not specify ONLY horizontal swimlanes, it supports both.
BizAgi is out of compliance with the BPMN standard. BizAgi developers are forcing their (limited) view on the people who pay the bills... customers.
Add vertical swimlanes and pools AND SUPPORT THEM. Until then you lose my company's business. I asked my managers whether we can use only horizontal swimlanes and pools. They said NO because we have used vertical swimlanes for so many projects so far. Converting the diagrams will take too much weeks of work for no benefit other than to support an inflexible product. Other tools support vertical BPMN 2.0 swimlanes, so we will go with another BPMN-compliant tool. We need a product that is flexible and support current users ways of working.
Please address our requirements and comply with the BPMN 2.0 standard. I would love to use and recommend your products (like I did at 2 previous jobs). Until then, my company is forced to use another vendor's products. Too bad. Such a nice product concept, poor execution. Get out and talk to more real organizations and customers.
I'm creating models right now that I'm required to put in a vertically set pages in a Word document and I can't make it work with the horizontal pool layout :(
Dear Users,
This is not considered for the product roadmap.
Regards
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